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Post by |----- C T D -----| on Feb 14, 2019 11:13:24 GMT -5
So this is the first year that we have the Top 6 from 2 sectionals for 1A-3A in the State finals. The brackets are for 16 wrestlers, but since there are only 12 wrestlers that means the #1 and #2 seeds from the sectionals get a bye in the 1st round.
How are they scoring team points during the first round for the #1 and #2 seeds? Right now, it looks like those seeds are not being credited with any team points. So teams that have a high number of #1 and #2 seeds are lagging behind teams that have a bunch of #3-#6 seeds. See Social Circle in 2A.
Doesn't make sense unless points are awarded after this 1st round but before the 2nd round kicks in.
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Post by |----- C T D -----| on Feb 14, 2019 11:39:19 GMT -5
1st round is done.
Riverside only has 4 wrestlers at State this weekend. Their seeds are: #3 - 1, #4 - 1, #5 - 2 Darlington has 9 wrestlers at State and their seeds are: #1 - 5, #2 - 1, #3 - 2, #6 - 1
After Round 1, Riverside is in 2nd place out of 44 teams. Meanwhile, Darlington is in 7th place.
How is that even possible?!?!?!
The #1 and #2 seeds should be getting awarded 4 points for their bye (the same amount of points a #3-6 seed gets for a pin in the 1st round).
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Post by dptigerfb51 on Feb 14, 2019 12:28:01 GMT -5
1st round is done.
Riverside only has 4 wrestlers at State this weekend. Their seeds are: #3 - 1, #4 - 1, #5 - 2 Darlington has 9 wrestlers at State and their seeds are: #1 - 5, #2 - 1, #3 - 2, #6 - 1
After Round 1, Riverside is in 2nd place out of 44 teams. Meanwhile, Darlington is in 7th place.
How is that even possible?!?!?!
The #1 and #2 seeds should be getting awarded 4 points for their bye (the same amount of points a #3-6 seed gets for a pin in the 1st round). Not on social media. How did Commerce fare for our kids who wrestled in the first rd?
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Post by |----- C T D -----| on Feb 14, 2019 14:17:48 GMT -5
Not on social media. How did Commerce fare for our kids who wrestled in the first rd?
Nash, B. Flint, JC, Epps, and Barnard all won by pin. Hall won by FF. Roberts and Sherman are in consolations.
Quarterfinals starting soon!
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Post by cchs123 on Feb 14, 2019 17:14:14 GMT -5
Charlton co Tommy Layden is gunning for that #1
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Post by iz4real on Feb 14, 2019 18:56:04 GMT -5
Charlton co Tommy Layden is gunning for that #1 Good luck to the young man. He will have to go thru Burns from Commerce and Brayden Rush from ELCA to make that happen.
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Post by TigerOne on Feb 15, 2019 7:40:18 GMT -5
1st round is done.
Riverside only has 4 wrestlers at State this weekend. Their seeds are: #3 - 1, #4 - 1, #5 - 2 Darlington has 9 wrestlers at State and their seeds are: #1 - 5, #2 - 1, #3 - 2, #6 - 1
After Round 1, Riverside is in 2nd place out of 44 teams. Meanwhile, Darlington is in 7th place.
How is that even possible?!?!?!
The #1 and #2 seeds should be getting awarded 4 points for their bye (the same amount of points a #3-6 seed gets for a pin in the 1st round). Wow have not even paid any attention to the scoring yet. Thank you CTD for bringing this up. I am going to make a phone call to see if we can get anything resolved on this.
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Post by |----- C T D -----| on Feb 15, 2019 9:29:05 GMT -5
1st round is done.
Riverside only has 4 wrestlers at State this weekend. Their seeds are: #3 - 1, #4 - 1, #5 - 2 Darlington has 9 wrestlers at State and their seeds are: #1 - 5, #2 - 1, #3 - 2, #6 - 1
After Round 1, Riverside is in 2nd place out of 44 teams. Meanwhile, Darlington is in 7th place.
How is that even possible?!?!?!
The #1 and #2 seeds should be getting awarded 4 points for their bye (the same amount of points a #3-6 seed gets for a pin in the 1st round). Wow have not even paid any attention to the scoring yet. Thank you CTD for bringing this up. I am going to make a phone call to see if we can get anything resolved on this.
Something was done to "fix" this issue, but it didn't fix it at all!
They have "reversed bonus points - Round 1", which is an attempt to level the playing field, but it DOESN'T!
Case in point: - Trion's 285 received a bye in the 1st round as a #1 seed. - He was beaten in 2nd round, so he didn't "advance" to the Semi's. - He was not awarded points for his 1st round bye. NONE. ZILCH.
Shouldn't everybody that received a 1st round bye get points? I would think so.
Also, shouldn't everyone that got bonus points in the first round receive their bonus points? That's unfair for those individuals to not receive their bonus points. But in the same token, if you received a 1st round bye, then you should receive the maximum allowed points for that round (treat it like a pin or forfeit).
GHSA should have put more thought into this...
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Post by TigerOne on Feb 15, 2019 10:03:18 GMT -5
Wow have not even paid any attention to the scoring yet. Thank you CTD for bringing this up. I am going to make a phone call to see if we can get anything resolved on this.
Something was done to "fix" this issue, but it didn't fix it at all!
They have "reversed bonus points - Round 1", which is an attempt to level the playing field, but it DOESN'T!
Case in point: - Trion's 285 received a bye in the 1st round as a #1 seed. - He was beaten in 2nd round, so he didn't "advance" to the Semi's. - He was not awarded points for his 1st round bye. NONE. ZILCH.
Shouldn't everybody that received a 1st round bye get points? I would think so.
Also, shouldn't everyone that got bonus points in the first round receive their bonus points? That's unfair for those individuals to not receive their bonus points. But in the same token, if you received a 1st round bye, then you should receive the maximum allowed points for that round (treat it like a pin or forfeit).
GHSA should have put more thought into this...
Absolutely! You should treat a bye the same as a forfeit in a dual. We can use a different points system, but whatever the maximum points are available the teams should get for a bye. Example: If you are in a dual and your weight comes up if the other team does not have a matching weight then your team receives 6 points. The maximum, exactly like a pin.
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Post by TigerOne on Feb 15, 2019 10:06:57 GMT -5
I honestly would like to know the reasoning if we are looking at it any other way than giving them (in the first round) the maximum points. Now I do understand we probably need to treat a bye different in the consolation matches. If not why would kids not "throw" a match or two in order to be seeded 3rd or 4th so they can have a match first round and maximize the points for their team.
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Post by |----- C T D -----| on Feb 15, 2019 10:26:22 GMT -5
I honestly would like to know the reasoning if we are looking at it any other way than giving them (in the first round) the maximum points. Now I do understand we probably need to treat a bye different in the consolation matches. If not why would kids not "throw" a match or two in order to be seeded 3rd or 4th so they can have a match first round and maximize the points for their team.
Exactly! My thinking is that if you lost in the 1st round and you move to consolations, which is a bye for that initial "Round 0", then no points are to be given for that bye. When the wrestler moves into the next round against those that lost the Championship 2nd Round, then they get points for a win in that particular round but NO POINTS if they lose. Essentially, a wrestler that loses 2 matches out of 2 tries receives NO POINTS.
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Post by TigerOne on Feb 15, 2019 10:29:31 GMT -5
100 Percent agree with you CTD
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Post by |----- C T D -----| on Feb 15, 2019 10:29:55 GMT -5
But in the case of the Trion 285, he "advanced" from Round 1 to Round 2 with a bye. If he loses in the Consolations Round 1, then he should get points for that advancement from the initial bye... MAXIMUM points (for the advance and for a "pin" or "forfeit"). That's the same amount of points that a kid that was seeded #3 gets a pin in the 1st round, loses the Championship 2nd Round, and loses the Consolation 1st Round.
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Post by TigerOne on Feb 15, 2019 10:57:56 GMT -5
But in the case of the Trion 285, he "advanced" from Round 1 to Round 2 with a bye. If he loses in the Consolations Round 1, then he should get points for that advancement from the initial bye... MAXIMUM points (for the advance and for a "pin" or "forfeit"). That's the same amount of points that a kid that was seeded #3 gets a pin in the 1st round, loses the Championship 2nd Round, and loses the Consolation 1st Round. Yes, exactly how it need to be set up.
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Post by |----- C T D -----| on Feb 15, 2019 11:51:44 GMT -5
To follow up on the Trion 285 example and how unfairly the GHSA is scoring the #1 and #2 seeds:
Trion's 285 was a #1 seed and received a Championship 1st Round Bye. Received 0 points. Trion's 106 was a #3 seed and won by Fall in the Champ 1st Round. Received 2 "Advancement" points and 2 "Activity" points. - However, GHSA reversed the Round 1 "Activity" aka Bonus points in an apparent effort to equalize the issue with #1 and #2 seeds not receiving points in the 1st round. - Trion's 106 technically awarded only 2 points from the Championship 1st Round.
Both of Trion's 285 and 106 lost in the Championship 2nd Round. Both received 0 points for that round.
Point totals going into the Consol 2nd Round (the 1st Rounds were all Bye's): - Trion's 106 has 2 points (remember, it is really 4 points but 2 points were reversed) - Trion's 285 has 0 points
Both wrestlers win Consol 2nd Round with Falls. Point totals for both after Consol 2nd Round: - Trion's 106 has 5 points (it would be 7 points but 2 points were reversed) - Trion's 285 has 3 points
So the #1 and #2 seeds are being punished for placing with a high seed in their Sectionals. Meanwhile, the #3 and #4 seeds are being punished if they dominated their opponent in the Championship 1st Round.
GHSA must be thinking that 2 wrongs = 1 right ...
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