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Post by bluesmoke on Aug 31, 2023 9:54:15 GMT -5
We have been here before with the appleasers and isolationist crowd. WWII in fact.
For 27 months of that war, the U.S. was not involved but we did send massive amounts of aid to Russia and the U.K. The isolationists were screaming how dare we aid the communist Stalin and the colonist U.K. They were so bad and corrupt. We simply needed to mind our own business and the combatants would settle it themselves was what they claimed. We should simply sit it out was claimed.
Then came December 7th 1941. The war came to us whether we wanted it or not.
The big thing is, that if we had not spent 27 months of aiding U.K. and Russia then what would have been the situation when the Nazi's and Japan came gunning for us?
The situation would have been that there would at least not have been a U.K. from which D-day was launched. Which also would have meant WE WOULD HAVE BEEN ALL ALONG in our fight against the bad guys.
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Post by bluesmoke on Aug 31, 2023 9:56:54 GMT -5
Now before you MAGA's pan that post, I ask you this question: what would the old line conservatives we used to have on here say about the Ukraine aid matter? Like Kahuna, LCTROJAnmama, or GHOST?
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Post by treybo on Aug 31, 2023 11:14:30 GMT -5
“I myself have never been an isolationist. I favor the very opposite of isolation: diplomacy, free trade, and freedom of travel. The real isolationists are those who impose sanctions and embargoes on countries and peoples across the globe because they disagree with the internal and foreign policies of their leaders. The real isolationists are those who choose to use force overseas to promote democracy, rather than seeking change through diplomacy, engagement, and by setting a positive example. The real isolationists are those who isolate their country in the court of world opinion by pursuing needless belligerence and war that have nothing to do with legitimate national security concerns.” — Ron Paul
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Post by bluesmoke on Sept 1, 2023 14:45:52 GMT -5
The real isolationists are those who choose to use force overseas to promote democracy, rather than seeking change through diplomacy, engagement, and by setting a positive example. --RON PAUL via TREYBO
I suspect Paul said this back when I was trying to tell the Conservative Posters we didn't need to be in Iraq or Afganistan fighting for folks who wouldn't fight for themselves.
Oh, and to his "setting a positive example" comment, makes me think of VT's obsession with China. I have long thought that the biggest thing they fear is if we set a good example for their citizens. Like being a good Democracy. Supporting elections. All this attacking the 2020 election results by MAGA's is music to their ears and is certainly propaganda for them.
MAGA's should be ashamed.
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Post by vtownsf on Sept 1, 2023 15:48:21 GMT -5
The real isolationists are those who choose to use force overseas to promote democracy, rather than seeking change through diplomacy, engagement, and by setting a positive example. --RON PAUL via TREYBO I suspect Paul said this back when I was trying to tell the Conservative Posters we didn't need to be in Iraq or Afganistan fighting for folks who wouldn't fight for themselves. Oh, and to his "setting a positive example" comment, makes me think of VT's obsession with China. I have long thought that the biggest thing they fear is if we set a good example for their citizens. Like being a good Democracy. Supporting elections. All this attacking the 2020 election results by MAGA's is music to their ears and is certainly propaganda for them. MAGA's should be ashamed. You're a freaking idiot....how can we set a good example when our own nation is swamped with corruption, fraud, lawlessness, & perversion....if you want to set a good example for others clean up your own backyard first....are we still a Democracy?....maybe, but hanging by a thread....we're becoming more & more a Marxist totalitarian state....you don't support election results that are ripe with fraud & corruption like the 2020 election....you make changes to ensure it never happens again & continue exposing how it came about so that those involved are recognized....a lawful nation punishes the guilty but we are so politicized, PC, we turn the tables & seek the ones questioning the lawless behavior....silence & censor any questioning the ruling elites....Marxism at it's finest!
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Post by treybo on Sept 2, 2023 7:59:43 GMT -5
The real isolationists are those who choose to use force overseas to promote democracy, rather than seeking change through diplomacy, engagement, and by setting a positive example. --RON PAUL via TREYBO I suspect Paul said this back when I was trying to tell the Conservative Posters we didn't need to be in Iraq or Afganistan fighting for folks who wouldn't fight for themselves. Oh, and to his "setting a positive example" comment, makes me think of VT's obsession with China. I have long thought that the biggest thing they fear is if we set a good example for their citizens. Like being a good Democracy. Supporting elections. All this attacking the 2020 election results by MAGA's is music to their ears and is certainly propaganda for them. MAGA's should be ashamed. The quote is from Ron Paul's book written around the time of his 2008 campaign. A quick story. In 2018 during the Georgia secretary of state race a big issue was the voting machines. I mentioned it throughout the election season on the old board. I voted for and supported J Smythe Duval the Libertarian nominee because he tried his best to bring the issue of the voting machines to light. He was typically mocked if acknowledged at all by his Republican challenger Brad Raffensperger. The election went to a run off and for one of the only times in my life I voted in that run off for a Democrat, John Barrow. I'm not the biggest fan in the world of Barrow, but he also made it very clear he was concerned about voting machines in Georgia. 2 years later everybody who has any concern over election security is Qanon terrorist who should be tried for treason and sentenced to death. That's how democracy works.
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Post by bluesmoke on Sept 2, 2023 12:28:36 GMT -5
VT, there's a big flaw in your argument. Since 1992, we have changed President's (parties) every eight or four years. And in most cases, we have changed congressional majorities every four to six years. Based on the election facts, our Democracy and elections are doing just fine.
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Post by vtownsf on Sept 2, 2023 13:41:44 GMT -5
VT, there's a big flaw in your argument. Since 1992, we have changed President's (parties) every eight or four years. And in most cases, we have changed congressional majorities every four to six years. Based on the election facts, our Democracy and elections are doing just fine. Doesn't mean it's going to stay that way, Bluewoke....there's a reason we're becoming or should I say already are a lawless nation....controlling elections through fraud & corruption, opening the border for unvetted illegals who don't assimilate, giving them unfettered access to freebies so as to change the demographics & ensure lifetime support for the Marxist party is the goal....one party rule is the future unless it is stopped....Democracy & free elections are dying! LOCK!
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